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Page history last edited by Kaisiris Tallini 1 year, 2 months ago


Bathetic star as stained glass


Tantum in Christo credo



Not all 'Independent Catholics' are in communion with Rome

Not all 'Independent Catholics' are in communion with Rome. Some are actually in communion with the born again Jesus.


What I mentioned to a friendly person recently, and what few Christians may be aware of:


Most Independent Catholic priests or bishops are not in communion with the pope, because the Holy See only recognises the validity of the apostolic successions of the bishops, and therefore the rest of the clergy of certain groups only: the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrian, Old Catholic, and some Independent Catholic churches, but not all.


For example, I am both a Protestant, as well as an Independent Catholic bishop through the former Cesidian Church, and I'm also a former Native American church of the Nemenhah sachem and medicine man.


So Rome may still recognise me as a Catholic priest, but not necessarily recognise me as a bishop. Likewise, some Native American church members may consider me a medicine man or ministerial practitioner, but not necessarily as a sachem or tribal chieftain, which is a term they think only Native Americans own.


The Roman Catholic church, by the way, also thinks it owns the term 'Catholic', and claims to have exclusive rights to the .catholic, .католик, .天主教, and the .كاثوليك TLDs (top-level domains).


Being also that the Cesidian Church (17.11.2001 – 09.07.2020) ceased to be with the end of the Johannine Christianity (11.08.2019 – 09.07.2020) era†, I am not a Roman Catholic anymore, strictly speaking, but a Cesidian, today a member of the Cesidian Network.


Cesidians do not follow the "Church of Constantine", or Ekklesia tou Konstantinou (Ἐκκλησία του Κωνσταντίνου), and all its political ideology placing Simon Peter above even the born again Jesus himself.


If you reject 'the born again Jesus', which is not at all a Christian concept, even though there is actually nothing strange with that concept, and you call yourself a Christian, like only Native Americans can apparently call themselves sachems, then the born again Jesus, or any of his followers, will refuse to recognise either groups as 'in communion' with them.


I'm also a real, even legal ectopolitan, not a theoretical one, so I live in the real world, not in the world of fictions or mythology. I look at the words of Jesus in the Bible first and foremost, and other words can be suspect, especially when they contradict Jesus' own words.


If you reject the born again Jesus, he himself said that he will say in the end times either "I never knew you" (Matthew 7:23), and to those who don't recognise him anymore than the Pharisees did in the 1st century CE, he will say "I do not know you" (Matthew 25:12).


If you treat the born again Jesus like a foreigner, as even the verses of 2 Thessalonians 2:3–4 predict so-called Christians and others will in the end times, then he will also treat them as foreigners.


If you refuse his son, God will not consider you divine, worthy of respect, or related to his son in any way. This only makes sense to sensible people, not most Christians, who seek approval from Caesar and his minions, not from the born again Jesus.


MT Kaisiris Tallini




† All Christianity eras according to Cesidians:


  • Antinomian‡ wilderness (circa 08.04.30 CE – 20.05.325) — church of Ephesus era

  • Nicene church (20.05.325 – 05.05.553) — church of Smyrna era

  • Anti-Christ church (05.05.553 – 28.07.754) — church of Pergamum era

  • Petrine Christianity (28.07.754 – 31.10.1517) — church of Thyatira era

  • Pauline Christianity (31.10.1517 – 11.02.1858) — church of Sardis era

  • Marian Christianity (11.02.1858 – 11.08.2019) — church of Philadelphia era

  • Johannine Christianity (11.08.2019 – 09.07.2020) — church of Laodicea I era

  • Magdalene Christianity (09.07.2020 – 03.02.2021) — church of Laodicea II era


‡ Antinomian means a time of lawlessness.



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